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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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you know there's explanation for

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everything that occurred in the renal

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incident that doesn't involve aliens at

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all it was completely silent

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it comes right over our heads he saw a

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classic flying saucer really standing in

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the clearing he turned over to my father

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and held his hand and he looked in his

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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host michael

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loke will not be joining us today

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because of a scheduling conflict

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but being the good egg that he is he

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wrote an updated news blog

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that you'll find on our website

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podcastufo.com

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this is podcast number 64 with dr

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roger lear we'll discuss the amazing

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turkey ufo incident

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as well as implants it's a great show i

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hope you enjoy it after this tune by

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it's uh good to be with you yes thank

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you and you have a fan going there

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where you're in southern california yes

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very hot and humid southern california

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at the moment

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so i would like to talk to you today of

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course about what you're known for the

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alien implants and your website is

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alienscapple.com right that is good

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uh but i would really want to talk to

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you about the

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turkey ufo event because uh to me that

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is one of the most

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important sightings that i think there

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it's so documented there are several

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witnesses i mean many many witnesses to

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the same craft

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yes there is and it was a scene

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you have to remember three years in a

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right and how did you were you living in

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turkey

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and how if so how long did you live

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was not living in turkey i was invited

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over for several conferences

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i'd been there a number of times and um

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during the conferences themselves

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there was so many ufos that

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really i got tired

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looking at ufos it was like

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standing out on a balcony watching the

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traffic on the freeway

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every martin every single major

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news truck was at the conference center

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and they were filming them all day long

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and it was reported on the national news

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all over turkey but

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you know like yeah in the rest of the

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world that

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just seems to not make it to the u.s

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wow you had it ufo conferences and ufos

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came to watch

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it sounds like almost well i don't know

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if they came to watch

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because uh although they may have slowed

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for the event they'd be you know like uh

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like a freeway either they were hitting

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some place and they just happened to fly

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the uh event site uh or

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that they were trying to make uh

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you know citizens of this world know

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they're there now why do they pick

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turkey um

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i don't know i've seen similar things in

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other places in the world such as in

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tremendous the sightings in

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testify at the citizens hearing in

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days in front of a congressional

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40 witnesses and the

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congressional experience that we had

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represented at least 80 years of

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congressional experience

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well one of the questions that was

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asked on quote unquote the foreign day

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when we had foreign politicians from all

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on a scale of one to ten

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which one of your countries would be

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considered a one and which would be

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and so they talked to monkeys amongst

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that the country of uruguay was number

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representative of the hawaiian air force

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would go into high schools and they

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lecture about the presence of

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extraterrestrials on earth

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the craft that was flying around what

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what the occupants of these vehicles

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fit in that scale and the congressional

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i i believe that when you were talking

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about these flying over

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the event there these were daylight

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amazing

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and let's talk about the famed ufo

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that was filmed and how did you get

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involved with doing that

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while you were there well once the

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conference was over

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we decided to go down uh the european

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uh turkey uh is uh

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uh different than other because

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it lies on two continents uh part of

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turkey is in asia and part of turkey

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is in europe so and it's

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totally surrounded by water everywhere

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you look there's a water or an estuary

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a bay and a mixture of oceans and so on

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and there was a area there was a may

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uh at that area that's it was in the

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cumbergas and we stayed up from

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uh filming out over the water

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analysis of the surroundings prior to

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actually did any filming we

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uh ships in that area that were passing

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any uh light interferences that would be

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and so on and there was absolutely

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jaime mohson from mexico was there

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the uh turkish team was not the only one

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did the filming so uh i have to describe

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tonight because we're standing on

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an elevated deck which has nothing

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us and the water so

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very very bright full moon

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so the camera we were using had a

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300 millimeter lens and

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an electronic doubler in other words we

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600 times magnification wow so

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we started by uh looking at the moon

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focusing on the moon now the moon was

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the absolute worst time to go look for

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because the light from the moon pollutes

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something at night

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in the sky in the middle of the city you

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my venus we're not going to see anything

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but anyway we saw a little uh bright dot

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uh little bright light and then started

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of magnification and we're looking

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which was uh cylindrical in the front

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it would turn from time to time and you

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it was probably crescent shaped

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and as we pushed on what we considered

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the front of the object

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that's when we were so startled why we

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just couldn't believe

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what we were seeing and of course i was

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one of the ones that was looking

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through the lens of the camera and also

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but this was a craft that had

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whatever you choose to call viewing

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windows whatever three one a big one in

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and one torch each side and um

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the craft externally was being

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lit by the moon so you could see that it

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was a shiny

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you know sort of metallic material

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was light that was emanating from the

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internal portion of the craft

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and standing there in these portals

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were some beings and some were the

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stereotypical

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bumper sticker grays so

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they were you know obviously doing

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them it was like

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hello you know go ahead fill them away

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wow now this thing just seemed to hover

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in one place and it seemed to do the

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and uh we don't know why but

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intelligent and i'm not comparing that

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human intelligence but no advanced let's

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civilization is going to do something

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without a motive i mean that's that's

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so obviously this was staged

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their face on in in the videos you see

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now did you actually see the craft turn

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at all or was it always just square to

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you

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uh for the most time it was uh

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front arm towards us but it did turn

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which i would say to the left so that

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you could see that it was not a saucer

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but more of a boomerang shaped craft

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very similar to what was described that

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had crashed in

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roswell new mexico in 1947

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now the the video from uh

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all three of these sightings over the

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three years

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was all sent to the university of

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istanbul which is a government-run

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university and some high-quality

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optical analysts looked at the film

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and did an analysis and then they came

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out with

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a written statement that the film was

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not photoshopped it was not doctored it

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was the real thing

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and what we had filmed was a craft of

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unknown origin

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with unknown occupants and that was the

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official statement that went out

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on television and all the newspapers

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we then participated in numerous

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national television programs they

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brought in

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all sorts of experts optical experts and

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so on

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but it was never proven to be anything

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other than what it was

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secondarily the last footage that was

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done in 19

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or 2009 rather was sent to

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chilean a videographer a video analyst

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and he instead of

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analyzing the craft itself

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his major function

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was that he looked at the beings

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now as you may or may not know

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uh there are 30 frames

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that go by the aperture of a video

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camera per second

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each frame is then composed of two

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pictures

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which are called video fields and the

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analyst in in chile

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had a apparatus for dividing

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each frame into each one of its

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segmental

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field so in third for every 30 frames

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you got 60 fields

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and then he went ahead and did

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geometric and optical drawings from

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what he saw and he told us uh the report

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is up on my

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uh on my website alienscalpel.com

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about what he saw that these um

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non-human beings were doing while we

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were filming them was there movement

355
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i'm sorry was there movement involved

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yes there was movement

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movement they were uh you know

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working with some kind of electronic

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equipment

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they all were not regressed

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some had very large proboscis

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uh you know noses uh others looked

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slightly different than they were

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engaged in

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uh different activities so who knows

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maybe they were

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recording us uh to tear to take to their

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video analyst

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to see if the humans really look like

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this i don't know

371
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if we're real that is yes yeah maybe

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they thought

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we were phony or robots or whatever they

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had uh

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civilizations yeah speaking of earlier

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mentioned that you talked with

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skeptics and all kinds of different

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people what has been

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the skeptics and debunkers remarks

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in general over the years about this

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uh the first remark that came out was

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that

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what we were filming was uh reflections

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of a lighthouse that was on a point some

385
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20 miles away uh

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sounds like rental some forest to me

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yeah

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uh or you know they could have said

389
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swamp gas or

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something else uh others said that uh

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because of the clarity

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of the shots and uh

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the clarity of what the beings look like

394
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that somebody had to draw these and

395
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insert them

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uh you know into the video uh but

397
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it's just the biggest you know when the

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government comes out of turkey

399
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and makes a statement that the film is

400
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real

401
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,799
uh i don't think they do that for a hoax

402
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and then when you send it completely to

403
00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:08,080
another country

404
00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:09,840
and he comes back with an in-depth

405
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report and the guy

406
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:14,480
is uh an optical physicist

407
00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:16,559
and he's telling you that you know what

408
00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:18,400
you're seeing is real and in greater

409
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detail

410
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with you with what the university had

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done

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i mean you got to believe this is a real

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piece of footage

414
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:29,360
now how many witnesses were with you

415
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:30,960
when you were filming that day

416
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that evening there must have been

417
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i would say at least a dozen all

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of which took their turns looking

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through the camera

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and as i said jaime and massan was

421
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filming it with another camera

422
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:49,360
he had his crew there were two

423
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:52,080
other individuals there that were from

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the united states who were with me

425
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they also looked through the camera and

426
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then we had the

427
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people from turkey that were associated

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with the

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conference and also there was the uh

430
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:10,159
owner of the camera uh plus

431
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uh you know several other people who

432
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:13,600
were in the

433
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uh in the photographic line that wanted

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to

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00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:20,240
see it also so there was at least

436
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at least a dozen people that were there

437
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:24,400
when other people were filming

438
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:25,679
previously

439
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:27,919
had anyone had close-up shots of the

440
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:30,720
beings inside

441
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:34,159
uh that i to tell you the truth i don't

442
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:35,440
remember

443
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:41,039
uh 2009 and now it's 2013.

444
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:44,799
uh i just you know i'm getting old

445
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:47,840
and my mind is not what it used to be

446
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,760
so there are some of the details of

447
00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:51,600
things that i've forgotten

448
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,080
and there's continuously new stuff that

449
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:55,919
happens

450
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:58,480
all the time like on the 4th of july

451
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:00,880
myself and 10 other people

452
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:04,240
witnessed a ufo that

453
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:06,320
went right along with the fireworks

454
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:08,559
right here in thousand oaks

455
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:11,200
and it was filmed by uh by numerous

456
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:12,320
people

457
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:14,799
and there was a fellow from london who

458
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:16,640
was sitting next to me filming the

459
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,159
fireworks and

460
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,799
he filmed the ufo and they had one of

461
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:22,320
these new

462
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:25,600
fancy uh phone cameras

463
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:28,000
and you could take the two fingers and

464
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:29,840
you know instantly blow up the

465
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,520
object and it was a stereotypical disc

466
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:36,240
with uh portholes going back to the one

467
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,039
in turkey

468
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,600
is that craft being seen within the last

469
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:41,360
year or so are you aware of

470
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,559
i don't believe so uh number one there

471
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,559
hasn't been any conferences there for a

472
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:48,559
couple years

473
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:52,640
and the craft are still being filmed but

474
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:55,600
as far as i know i don't even think

475
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:56,880
anybody has

476
00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:01,440
gone back to uh come burgess since 2009

477
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:02,720
and tried to repeat

478
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:06,320
uh filming it the

479
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:09,520
the situation over there now is a bit

480
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:12,240
tenuous because of the impending middle

481
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:13,760
eastern situation

482
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,120
you know countries uh turkey sits is a

483
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:19,200
country that sits uh

484
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:22,640
you know precariously close to uh

485
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:25,679
where we may be flirting with a

486
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:28,240
tremendous war right where would you say

487
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:28,960
besides

488
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:31,280
turkey or or i'm not really sure what

489
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:32,240
makes turkey

490
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,760
such a center for so much ufo activity

491
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:38,159
but besides that you said uruguay do you

492
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:39,280
know why

493
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:42,159
any ice any idea any speculation why

494
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:43,760
there's so many sightings in certain

495
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,120
areas

496
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,600
well we do know that there's been a

497
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:49,760
tremendous amount of sightings as of

498
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:50,559
late over

499
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:54,000
areas where there are uh

500
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:56,799
uranium mines or uranium mines under

501
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:57,919
development

502
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:01,760
or enrichment reactors uh

503
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:05,280
whoever or whatever they are are

504
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:08,720
seem to be extremely concerned about

505
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,640
what we do with our nuclear

506
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,280
program now i'm not just saying the

507
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:17,120
united states but

508
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:19,840
anywhere in the world so you talk about

509
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:22,000
concentrations of ufos over

510
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for example the mountains that surround

511
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:29,280
afghanistan pakistan

512
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:32,320
there's large amounts of ufos seen

513
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:35,360
and as i said why they're in some

514
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countries

515
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,360
and i'm not seeing as much in others i

516
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:41,600
really don't have a clue and then what

517
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:43,279
we're seeing we should mention

518
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:46,320
uh people see a lot of things but they

519
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:49,360
don't they're not all today

520
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:51,520
non-terrestrial craft because we know

521
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:53,279
that we spent

522
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,480
63 trillion dollars on a black budget

523
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:58,640
and they say that black budget science

524
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:01,600
is at least 100 years ahead

525
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:06,240
of academic science so lord knows what

526
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:09,279
we're flying now let's talk about your

527
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,000
forte

528
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,559
implants a little bit before we started

529
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:13,919
recording you mentioned to me that you

530
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:15,360
get a ton of email

531
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:19,360
is that mostly related to the implants

532
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:22,720
yes it is and i run about

533
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:26,960
5 000 emails behind per day per day

534
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:32,320
per day how did you ever see my email

535
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:36,880
wow i i have fortunately i do have help

536
00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:40,720
and we go through the email

537
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,840
in mass i'm thinking about hiring the

538
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:46,400
nsa

539
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,600
yeah i think they already know

540
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,520
that there are no they have a good

541
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,039
system you know if we could you know

542
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:55,360
institute their system why 5 000 would

543
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:56,400
be nothing

544
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:59,840
yeah but anyway we do go through them

545
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:00,320
and

546
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:04,240
a certain amount of them are

547
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:07,840
just uh get automatically deleted

548
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:11,840
um if we recognize or

549
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:14,640
uh check the potential of the ones that

550
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:15,520
uh

551
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,480
we think we need to respond to then they

552
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,480
will get a response

553
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,039
so i'm sorry you know that's all i can

554
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:25,200
do is apologize

555
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:28,480
i just uh i'm one person like

556
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:31,039
peter davenport at the ufo reporting

557
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:32,320
center

558
00:25:39,070 --> 00:25:35,600
i'm one person trying to do the job of

559
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:39,080
of many many people and i do have a

560
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:42,960
501c3 non-profit organizations so

561
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,799
if there's someone out there that wants

562
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:46,240
to make a contribution

563
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:49,360
why go through the website and please do

564
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:49,600
it

565
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:53,200
because we not only need to help but

566
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:56,640
we can use the finances tax deductible

567
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:57,520
too

568
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:00,640
and it's 100 tax deductible

569
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:04,960
because we are a 501 c 3 legal nonprofit

570
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,840
organization now for the people that

571
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,039
contact you

572
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,039
and you say you weed through them how

573
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:13,760
many would you say that you

574
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:22,470
the ones that we respond to

575
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:29,430
and out of on the out of the people that

576
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:31,120
contact you

577
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,640
how many people are actually looking to

578
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,400
have these things removed

579
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,480
i know it's probably an odd question but

580
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:38,320
well it's an odd question

581
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,400
but it's a high percentage and uh

582
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:44,320
you know some people have ulterior

583
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:45,440
motives

584
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,440
you know they're looking for their uh

585
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,080
you know three minutes of fame

586
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:53,520
in anything um the next group you get

587
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:57,120
are people who think that uh

588
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:58,960
whether it be the u.s government the

589
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:01,840
english government the french or whoever

590
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,840
have selected them for some kind of a

591
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,400
experiment

592
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:08,320
in which they're implanting things in

593
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:11,039
their body so you have that group

594
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:14,000
of people and then you have those who

595
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,919
they just know for sure

596
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,520
they have something in their body but

597
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,960
they don't know who did it and they

598
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:20,480
don't know where it is and they've never

599
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:20,960
had an

600
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,760
x-ray and they don't have any pain they

601
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,440
don't have any symptoms

602
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,440
and they have the slightest idea of

603
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,960
where it is and they want to know what

604
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:30,960
to do about it

605
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:33,360
so and they won't see a regular doctor

606
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:34,240
about it

607
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:38,000
except

608
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:41,200
our group because people will think

609
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,240
they're crazy

610
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,880
there's a certain number of people who

611
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:46,960
have been in jail

612
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:49,440
uh mental institutions that become

613
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:51,360
addicted to drugs

614
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:54,640
that are alcoholics and

615
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:57,679
an array of others who

616
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:01,120
uh if we you know listen to them

617
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:05,039
and listen to the story of their lives

618
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,240
we realize that they are an abductee

619
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:11,200
and a certain percentage of these do

620
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:12,720
have an implant

621
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,240
so we figure the total percentage

622
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,039
of the abductee population runs between

623
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:21,520
10 and 15

624
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:25,039
which strangely enough is a similar

625
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:26,320
percentage

626
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,360
to what we as humans do

627
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,919
with the lesser animal kingdom i mean we

628
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:33,520
tag about 10 or

629
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,600
50 of bears to find out their

630
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:37,279
hibernation habits

631
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,039
their metabolism what they uh digest how

632
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:42,880
long they sleep and so on

633
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:45,919
same thing with the mammals uh

634
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:48,799
fish you know how far does the salmon

635
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,279
swim

636
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,600
and when it goes to russia and it comes

637
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:53,679
back kind of find its own

638
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:56,880
a river to spawn in and so on so

639
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:00,399
the percentage is about the same

640
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:03,919
so now we've had

641
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,120
several nuclear physicists look at the

642
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:09,279
materials that these implants are made

643
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:10,320
out of

644
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,039
and uh robert kuntz k-o-o-n-t-z

645
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:17,279
uh who's a very well-respected nuclear

646
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:18,240
physicist

647
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,679
formerly with the navy states that the

648
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:23,200
materials

649
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:26,240
that the implants are made out of come

650
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:28,720
from props approximately one third away

651
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:31,760
across the mountain milky way galaxy

652
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:34,720
and that their civilization is probably

653
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:35,600
80

654
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,279
to a million years older than we are

655
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,600
wow he's actually made that statement

656
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:43,360
yes and this is made by

657
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:46,880
uh mathematical formulas uh

658
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:49,840
which are a bit over my head but all i

659
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:51,760
can tell you that it's based

660
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:54,880
on mathematical constant having to do

661
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:58,080
with the age of the big bang and the

662
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,000
time it takes from

663
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:03,200
one the development of one isotope

664
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,039
of one element to become another

665
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:10,159
and it takes maybe a hundred two hundred

666
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:11,120
a thousand

667
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:13,760
two thousand three thousand years for

668
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:15,039
these changes to

669
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:18,240
occur so he's made two

670
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:21,840
mathematical constants uh one is through

671
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:24,000
space-time and the other has to do with

672
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:24,880
age

673
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:27,679
how many implants have you actually

674
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:28,960
physically removed

675
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:32,559
from from patients we have

676
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:38,000
performed 16 surgeries and

677
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:41,279
have produced 17 objects

678
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:45,360
since one individual had two

679
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:48,399
we are getting ready very shortly to

680
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,000
do the next case now

681
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,559
you just mentioned what this physicist

682
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,480
nuclear physicist said about

683
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:58,399
the properties what kind of scientific

684
00:31:01,110 --> 00:31:00,399
tests have been performed already on

685
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:01,120
these

686
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:03,519
well it's a difficult question to answer

687
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:04,159
because

688
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,600
um unless you're a material scientist

689
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,360
i would have to spend several days on

690
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:11,760
the phone explaining the tests

691
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:15,200
but okay just putting it

692
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:18,720
in sort of layman's the language

693
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:21,840
number one we find that the base metal

694
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,320
used in the implants is meteoric iron

695
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:28,240
now what's the difference between iron

696
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:30,240
and meteoric iron

697
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:31,919
but the difference is basically the

698
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,399
ratio of nickel to iron

699
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,240
let's look for example at what are

700
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:38,880
called isotopic ratios

701
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,760
um all metals or all elements are

702
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:43,600
composed of various

703
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:46,640
subparts which are called isotopes

704
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,840
the isotopes have numbers

705
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,600
and that represents the numbers of

706
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:53,679
protons and neutrons that are in the

707
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:56,480
nucleus of that particular atom

708
00:32:02,549 --> 00:31:59,760
we all know what u235 is i think because

709
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:02,559
we know we like to make bombs out of it

710
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:03,360
it's uh

711
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:07,120
but there's also u236 that's uranium 236

712
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,240
u234

713
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:11,360
and so on so if we mined uranium

714
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:15,360
anywhere on earth the ratio of 234 to

715
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:16,240
235

716
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,760
etc etc would be relatively the same

717
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:21,679
within two percent

718
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:24,559
if we mined uranium that came from the

719
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:25,840
moon

720
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,960
from a meteorite from mars where we have

721
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:30,559
some idea what their

722
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:34,000
isotopic ratios are like then we could

723
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:34,559
say

724
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:38,320
those ratios are isotopic in nature

725
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:42,320
so we find a matrix of meteoric iron

726
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:46,399
we find non-terrestrial isotopic ratios

727
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:49,279
we find what are called not rare earth

728
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:50,399
metals

729
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,080
such as europium thorium thesium

730
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,799
where they only represent a tiny tiny

731
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:58,240
part of the

732
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:01,679
earth's environment so those are called

733
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:04,799
rare metals in one case we found one

734
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:05,679
isotope

735
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,840
of uranium which is relatively

736
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,559
impossible

737
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:13,120
the next thing of scientific nature that

738
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:13,840
is

739
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:16,960
one of the most important and

740
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,919
modern findings is that we find what are

741
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:21,600
called cnts or

742
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,799
carbon nanotubes and this is a structure

743
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:25,679
that

744
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:28,960
eight to ten years ago was believed by

745
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:30,640
scientists

746
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:33,360
did not exist in nature and could not be

747
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:34,559
made

748
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:37,279
and there was a long continuous argument

749
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,000
that went on

750
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:40,320
for years saying that this was an

751
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:41,760
impossibility

752
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,640
and finally what do you know they were

753
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:47,200
able to be made in a laboratory

754
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:51,279
so today cnts are being used by the

755
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:55,279
aircraft industry they're being used in

756
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:58,480
various forms of advanced electronics

757
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:01,600
they're being used by the space industry

758
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,039
to strengthen metals because they're the

759
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:06,640
strongest known subject

760
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:09,520
substance known to man there's talk of

761
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,560
building a space

762
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,560
tower out of them in which we could

763
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:13,919
launch a vehicle

764
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,480
from over a mile up therefore saving a

765
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,079
tremendous amount

766
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:21,040
of liquid or solid rocket propellant

767
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,560
because we wouldn't be

768
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,040
defying the amount of gravity that we

769
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:27,520
would on the surface of the earth

770
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:29,919
japan as a company that's working on

771
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,040
them weaving them into fiber

772
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,359
to use in the clothing manufacturing

773
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,520
business so that you'll be able a woman

774
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:39,200
will be able to uh

775
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:43,440
let's say change the uh the color of her

776
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:46,560
clothes it'll keep her warm and like in

777
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:49,679
the summer and cool in the summer

778
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:52,720
and vast other applications

779
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:56,639
which uh are largely in the hands of

780
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,480
commercial electronic uh enterprises and

781
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:02,000
of course in the hands of the black

782
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,520
budget

783
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:05,920
wow do you want to take a break and give

784
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:08,320
that dog a milk bone

785
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,079
why not well we're just about done here

786
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:14,400
if the dog sounds like you settle down a

787
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,599
little bit

788
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,359
but i'm we're just about out of time

789
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,599
here but i do have a couple of

790
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:22,000
questions a lot of people that you know

791
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:23,440
claim to have been

792
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,040
abducted they talk about

793
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,440
scars would that have anything to do

794
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,079
with the implants at all

795
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:34,240
well it's an interesting question martin

796
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:35,760
because uh

797
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,760
in the beginning we thought for example

798
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,280
the scoop mark

799
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:44,400
where some material have been taken out

800
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:45,839
of the skin

801
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:48,240
might be used in coating the implant

802
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:49,440
because

803
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:52,320
these implants when you look at them

804
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,359
biologically

805
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:55,200
after they've been removed in the

806
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,480
surrounding tissue

807
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:59,200
in the body we see there's no rejection

808
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:01,119
reaction there's no inflammatory

809
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:02,800
reaction

810
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,359
and there's a large amount of nerve

811
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:06,960
cells present which

812
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:10,079
shouldn't be there but now

813
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:13,599
we've sort of changed our mind because

814
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:16,960
you see as as time

815
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:20,640
moves on the equipment for studying

816
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:21,920
things

817
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:24,480
becomes better and better and better

818
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,040
even

819
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:27,839
the old electron microscope that we had

820
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:29,839
10 or 15 years ago

821
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,280
is now a very very archaic tool

822
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:36,079
we can get magnifications for example at

823
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:36,880
10 000

824
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:41,119
kilovolts up to 750 to a million times

825
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:42,560
magnification

826
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:45,200
well you couldn't do that you know 10

827
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:46,400
years ago

828
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:50,480
so as science advances we're able to

829
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:54,160
learn more so that's how

830
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:56,560
we got you know do we discover that

831
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:57,760
these uh

832
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:00,880
objects contain these cnts

833
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:04,160
and then they also contain other strange

834
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:07,760
uh structures one or what we call

835
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:09,760
orthorhombic crystals

836
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:12,160
these are crystals of uh that are

837
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:13,599
rectangular

838
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:17,839
of varying shape we find gold

839
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:21,280
spheres solid gold spheres we don't know

840
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:24,560
what their function is we find apertures

841
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:27,520
in the metal they're like tunnels but

842
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,240
they're only one atom in width

843
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,720
and so far we have not been able to look

844
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:34,800
down the tunnel

845
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:38,320
to see what's in there but back to uh

846
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:41,599
the uh marks uh so

847
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,320
we as i said thought for some time that

848
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:46,079
you know parts of the skin were being

849
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,280
used to prevent

850
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:49,520
rejection reaction but now we've

851
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,920
actually discovered a phase

852
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:54,079
we call it a phase for lack of a better

853
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:55,440
word

854
00:38:02,950 --> 00:37:59,520
that shows the inorganic material

855
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:02,960
the metallurgy of the material itself

856
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,000
becoming organic

857
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:08,400
now there's no way in a world that i

858
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:11,520
don't even think in black budget science

859
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:14,720
that we are able to do that and i've

860
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,359
kind of had this verified because

861
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:19,680
i've been to a few black budget labs and

862
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:20,880
when they're

863
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:22,880
a bunch of scientists are in a room

864
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:24,160
looking through their

865
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,320
instruments at these objects and the

866
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,320
lab director standing out in the hall

867
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,560
with his hands on his hips

868
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:35,040
uh you know he's not you know he's not

869
00:38:39,069 --> 00:38:36,720
happy with

870
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:39,079
these guys looking at stuff that's uh

871
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,400
non-governmental

872
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,400
but still being paid on a governmental

873
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,000
payroll

874
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:46,560
so if they're that interested in looking

875
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:47,359
at this stuff

876
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,079
then most probably they don't have it if

877
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:52,480
you don't mind me asking where are these

878
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,440
implants now are they in a safe place

879
00:39:00,910 --> 00:38:57,680
they're always in a safe place because

880
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:00,920
um most of the time if there's you know

881
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:02,880
eventually

882
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,839
you start you start with an object uh

883
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,760
it's removed in toto

884
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,839
uh we try and preserve it in the best

885
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,000
possible fashion

886
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:15,119
and then we subject the exterior to

887
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,480
a maximum amount of examination

888
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:20,640
it's only at that point when we began to

889
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:21,760
use things like

890
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,119
things like electron microscopy

891
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:27,280
and start taking an electron beam and

892
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:28,960
looking inside

893
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,760
then the object you know because of

894
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,119
destructive

895
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:35,359
analysis gets smaller and smaller and

896
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,720
smaller until

897
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,960
some of these we have almost nothing

898
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:40,560
left

899
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:44,480
but we always retain as much we can

900
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:47,599
of of the sample so basically what i'm

901
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,480
saying to you

902
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:50,960
is that most of the time they're in

903
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:52,480
laboratories

904
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:55,520
and uh we have uh we use the same

905
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,880
or similar or even better chain of

906
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:00,640
forensic evidence

907
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:03,760
that the police department uses

908
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,160
and you know if it's in a container

909
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,640
nobody opens that container unless it's

910
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,079
being filmed

911
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:15,359
they sign for it etc etc etc

912
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:18,880
so every step of the way our

913
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,720
forensic abilities have to remain that

914
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:24,720
way in order to have a viable

915
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,520
scientific study if anybody could do

916
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:29,920
whatever they wanted with these then we

917
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,640
wouldn't be able to prove anything now i

918
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:34,480
heard that these things can move i heard

919
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:35,839
people talking about that

920
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:39,119
have you ever tried to surgically go

921
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:43,200
after one that was moving inside yes

922
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:45,920
and i have that on video also we do

923
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,200
videotape all the surgeries

924
00:40:52,510 --> 00:40:51,119
or now of course with the new media

925
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:52,520
they're not

926
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:55,680
videotaped anymore they're digitized

927
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,520
but we had a lady with a marble sized

928
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:01,440
object in the arm

929
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:04,480
and when you put your finger near it

930
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,520
it would move out of the way within a

931
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,000
diameter of a circle that was about

932
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:12,720
uh an inch and a half or two by two and

933
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:14,560
a half inches

934
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:18,400
and after a while uh when i put my

935
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:19,520
finger

936
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,480
on her arm in a place let's say maybe an

937
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,160
inch away from the object

938
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:26,240
the object would actually come to my

939
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:27,839
finger you know like come

940
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:30,800
doggy and it would actually follow my

941
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:31,440
finger

942
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:34,800
around her arm it's the the the

943
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,160
recording of this is so hairy that

944
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:40,800
uh even today when i look at it i can't

945
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,160
believe what i'm saying

946
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:44,400
and it took four four hands to get it

947
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,280
out

948
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,000
wow roger the thing that comes to mind

949
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:49,920
through this whole conversation is

950
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:52,720
this out of almost anything i've ever

951
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:53,680
heard

952
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:56,480
in this field seems like such a smoking

953
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:57,280
gun

954
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:59,359
yes you're absolutely correct there's

955
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:02,160
people out there who are calling

956
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:05,200
looking asking begging

957
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:08,640
cheating lying stealing or whatever

958
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:11,200
they must do for the so-called smoking

959
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:12,560
gun

960
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:15,359
when we have the physical evidence to

961
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:16,480
show

962
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:20,640
that the human race is being

963
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:24,560
interfered with let's say or manipulated

964
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:27,920
by a an advanced species leaving

965
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:28,800
clear-cut

966
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,520
physical evidence behind now i'm just

967
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,839
coming out with a new book

968
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:35,839
which should be out probably in the next

969
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,480
month and a half or so i hope

970
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,040
and there's a section in the book which

971
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:43,680
is a pure scientific section

972
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:46,800
with uh a warning

973
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:50,079
if you are not a degree scientist either

974
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:52,960
a phd or a master's degree

975
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:55,760
please don't bother to read the section

976
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,319
because i

977
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,319
i don't want to hear from you and no

978
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:00,800
other scientist does either

979
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:04,160
wow so it tells the whole story

980
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:07,200
with all the scientific information

981
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,119
and then i can't tell you the name of

982
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:11,200
the book because of an agreement with

983
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,480
the publisher

984
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:14,880
but i can tell you that the forward was

985
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:16,880
written by dr edgar mitchell the

986
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:17,760
astronaut

987
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:20,720
right what are the debunkers saying

988
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:21,119
about

989
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:25,440
i don't know if the word would be a cyst

990
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:26,000
or something

991
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,359
like that are they trying to explain it

992
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:29,599
away as something your body would

993
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:30,480
produce

994
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:34,000
well you know uh yes that's kind of a

995
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:37,119
standard thing but i've been around long

996
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:37,599
enough

997
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:40,480
with all the famous people including

998
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:40,880
phil

999
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:44,480
class and uh mr smiley face

1000
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:48,079
and uh you know they

1001
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:51,440
they uh by and large

1002
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:54,880
uh don't bother with me and i

1003
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:58,079
i i don't know why i did a television

1004
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:58,800
show

1005
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:02,000
um it was kind of a round table uh

1006
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:03,680
discussion

1007
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,280
uh with one of the comedians that

1008
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:09,359
was quite famous with saturday night

1009
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:11,119
live kevin nealum

1010
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:14,000
oh yeah and kevin is one of these guys

1011
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,400
who

1012
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,880
uh i don't know whether he believes or

1013
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:18,800
he doesn't believe or not but he is a

1014
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:19,520
comedian

1015
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,880
and he's absolutely hilarious well he

1016
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,000
set up this

1017
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:26,319
panel discussion and there was a young

1018
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,920
lady there who

1019
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,839
sat down next to me opened up her

1020
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:31,280
briefcase

1021
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,960
took out a big black binder and

1022
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:37,040
we introduced ourselves to each other

1023
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:38,720
and she says well what's your claim to

1024
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:39,920
fame

1025
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,400
and i said well i guess i'm known for

1026
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:43,839
removing

1027
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,960
objects from uh individuals who allege

1028
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:48,480
alien abduction

1029
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,680
and she says oh you mean implants and i

1030
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,599
said yes if that's what you choose to

1031
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:56,240
call them so with that she takes this

1032
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,800
binder

1033
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:58,480
puts it on the table and remember she's

1034
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,079
sitting next to me

1035
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:02,160
so i can look at right exactly what

1036
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,359
she's reading

1037
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,000
and she opens the binder up goes down

1038
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:08,800
with her finger the table of contents

1039
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:11,359
comes to the page that says alien

1040
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:12,480
implants

1041
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:15,680
flips over to the page and there it is

1042
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,359
she was all prepared yeah and i said uh

1043
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:22,240
what's your claim to frame and she says

1044
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,560
oh

1045
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:25,280
i'm a member of the southern california

1046
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,079
division

1047
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,800
of the american skeptic society that's

1048
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:30,000
when you should have taken out your

1049
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:31,920
binder and flipped it open to the

1050
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:39,190
i did worse than that i did a film i

1051
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:41,040
produced a film

1052
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:44,800
in which uh we duplicated that scene

1053
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:48,079
in the film and uh

1054
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,520
of course the actor in the film when he

1055
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:53,280
sees me in possession of the black

1056
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,079
binder

1057
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,119
gets very upset begins to walk out

1058
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,119
and i said oh come on you're not a cry

1059
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:00,960
baby come back here and face it

1060
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:07,990
well i really appreciate all your work

1061
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:08,800
roger and

1062
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:10,800
uh thanks so much for enlightening us on

1063
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:12,839
that uh amazing

1064
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:15,920
footage that you're involved in and uh